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		<title>By: Dratz</title>
		<link>http://opensourceanalytics.com/2005/12/14/the-sad-state-of-analytics-consulting/comment-page-1/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>Dratz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2006 00:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen to that.  Commoditize all of IT and not only will quality and prices stabilze, it will be easier to find true value.

I&#039;ve been working on my own opensource BI, but it may be smarter to join into existing projects.  I&#039;ll check them out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen to that.  Commoditize all of IT and not only will quality and prices stabilze, it will be easier to find true value.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been working on my own opensource BI, but it may be smarter to join into existing projects.  I&#8217;ll check them out.</p>
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		<title>By: Nishith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nishith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*LOL*  Dratz, I wish you were blogging then.  I should have raised certain apprehensions during project kickoff itself.

Unfortunately I had to step in as the Project Manager just 3 days prior to the kickoff.  The deal had been inked and the project duration had also been fixed without even a requirements document in place.  So it was crisis management for me from day zero.  The good part was that this also meant I had a lot of creative freedom on the project.  High risk, but fun.  

In general I think its probably better to get the tool from one vendor, and then get another vendor for the implementation.  Consultants from the tool vendor are almost always well trained on the &quot;menu-options&quot; but quite clueless on what the menu-option really does and when it should be clicked.

I agree that the &quot;industry leading BI&quot; software is quite functional (my one line project update to our CEO once read &quot;Good tool, bad team&quot;), but it does manage to piss me off sometimes. Blatantly peddling a script as a &quot;programming language&quot;, they should have probably revised their architecture a decade back (that&#039;s easier said than done, you don&#039;t want to risk too many changes with a big base of users used to the way things are).

Having said that, over the past few years I have been looking very closely at some of the very impressive work being done in open-source.  In particular you should look at R project (http://r-project.org) which is based on an original design by AT&amp;T Bell Labs and is amazing.  I intend to write a lot about it in the coming months.

Having seen it happen, I am quite particular about ensuring that our consultants should not turn out the same.  Analytics software market is getting commoditized, and consistent quality will provide the only sustainable competitive advantage for the analytics vendors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*LOL*  Dratz, I wish you were blogging then.  I should have raised certain apprehensions during project kickoff itself.</p>
<p>Unfortunately I had to step in as the Project Manager just 3 days prior to the kickoff.  The deal had been inked and the project duration had also been fixed without even a requirements document in place.  So it was crisis management for me from day zero.  The good part was that this also meant I had a lot of creative freedom on the project.  High risk, but fun.  </p>
<p>In general I think its probably better to get the tool from one vendor, and then get another vendor for the implementation.  Consultants from the tool vendor are almost always well trained on the &#8220;menu-options&#8221; but quite clueless on what the menu-option really does and when it should be clicked.</p>
<p>I agree that the &#8220;industry leading BI&#8221; software is quite functional (my one line project update to our CEO once read &#8220;Good tool, bad team&#8221;), but it does manage to piss me off sometimes. Blatantly peddling a script as a &#8220;programming language&#8221;, they should have probably revised their architecture a decade back (that&#8217;s easier said than done, you don&#8217;t want to risk too many changes with a big base of users used to the way things are).</p>
<p>Having said that, over the past few years I have been looking very closely at some of the very impressive work being done in open-source.  In particular you should look at R project (<a href="http://r-project.org" rel="nofollow">http://r-project.org</a>) which is based on an original design by AT&amp;T Bell Labs and is amazing.  I intend to write a lot about it in the coming months.</p>
<p>Having seen it happen, I am quite particular about ensuring that our consultants should not turn out the same.  Analytics software market is getting commoditized, and consistent quality will provide the only sustainable competitive advantage for the analytics vendors.</p>
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		<title>By: Dratz</title>
		<link>http://opensourceanalytics.com/2005/12/14/the-sad-state-of-analytics-consulting/comment-page-1/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Dratz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2006 04:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, those f***ing vendors!  The most lucrative part of the IT Con.

Did you force them to come in and do a proof-of-concept on your systems?  To be fair, keep it limited in scope, but never let them drive it.

I&#039;m still amazed at how unwilling companies are to bring in independent consultants to analyze their needs objectively and work with them to find a vendor.  Is it really a bad investment to spend $25-$50k for help before signing that million dollar check?

Vendors will never, never tell you the WHOLE truth, even if they understand it, which they don&#039;t.

I just went thru a vendor evaluation with three global  vendors and each of them sent in idiots that they apparently thought would be good enough.  It took less than a day before the sales reps were flying in more &quot;experts&quot; from around the country.

Vendors can go thru a lot of turnover because their consultants can make more money working for companies providing support than working for the vendor themselves.  Try to find a consultant from the vendor that has 5 years or more experience WITH that vendor (not just with some of their products).

Vendors suck up the costs of POC&#039;s (unless you buy, then they suck it out of you in the deal) and it onlymakes sense that they try to do that as cheaply as possible.

I finally found a product I liked, but I still had to put up with their consultants and still got screwed a little with hidden costs, but that&#039;s what they do.  Just make sure you find out the list price and never pay more than 1/2 that (except for small purchases).

From what you say, I bet I have a good idea which industry leading BI company you had to deal with.  If so, the software is a lot more functional than the boobs they send out know about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, those f***ing vendors!  The most lucrative part of the IT Con.</p>
<p>Did you force them to come in and do a proof-of-concept on your systems?  To be fair, keep it limited in scope, but never let them drive it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still amazed at how unwilling companies are to bring in independent consultants to analyze their needs objectively and work with them to find a vendor.  Is it really a bad investment to spend $25-$50k for help before signing that million dollar check?</p>
<p>Vendors will never, never tell you the WHOLE truth, even if they understand it, which they don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I just went thru a vendor evaluation with three global  vendors and each of them sent in idiots that they apparently thought would be good enough.  It took less than a day before the sales reps were flying in more &#8220;experts&#8221; from around the country.</p>
<p>Vendors can go thru a lot of turnover because their consultants can make more money working for companies providing support than working for the vendor themselves.  Try to find a consultant from the vendor that has 5 years or more experience WITH that vendor (not just with some of their products).</p>
<p>Vendors suck up the costs of POC&#8217;s (unless you buy, then they suck it out of you in the deal) and it onlymakes sense that they try to do that as cheaply as possible.</p>
<p>I finally found a product I liked, but I still had to put up with their consultants and still got screwed a little with hidden costs, but that&#8217;s what they do.  Just make sure you find out the list price and never pay more than 1/2 that (except for small purchases).</p>
<p>From what you say, I bet I have a good idea which industry leading BI company you had to deal with.  If so, the software is a lot more functional than the boobs they send out know about.</p>
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